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		<title>If you thought the US was ignorant to natural births</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you thought the US was ignorant to natural births, check out the attached forum on c-sections in my local rag in Adelaide Australia.
 http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/comments/0,22638,24663306-5006301,00.html
It has really exposed the ignorant masses that live in Australia.
Please help by posting some sense to this publication.
Cheers,
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you thought the US was ignorant to natural births, check out the attached forum on c-sections in my local rag in Adelaide Australia.</p>
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<p>It has really exposed the ignorant masses that live in Australia.</p>
<p>Please help by posting some sense to this publication.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>V</p>
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		<title>Can a woman have a safe home birth with a midwife if she has herpes?</title>
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A:  Very simply the treatment for herpes is as follows and is the same whether a woman is giving birth at home or in a hospital. Some practitioners choose to have women take prophylactic anti herpes medications such as valtrex or [...]]]></description>
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<p></span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">A:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Very simply the treatment for herpes is as follows and is the same whether a woman is giving birth at home or in a hospital. Some practitioners choose to have women take prophylactic anti herpes medications such as valtrex or acyclovir starting at 36 weeks when a baby could possibly be born. Other practitioners, such as myself, provide the woman with a prescription for the antiviral and await the prodrome before treating. This means that if a woman, experienced in herpes lesions feels that she is about to break out,  she takes the antiviral as prescribed so that she won&#8217;t have a herpes lesion at the time of her labor and/or birth. It&#8217;s actually quite straightforward and does not designate the place of birth. ~Cara</span></p>
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		<title>Fear Shouldn’t Drive Birth Center Decisions</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Kim Triglio
BEVERLY, MASS. -  For 27 years Beverly’s North Shore Birth Center has been a place for women seeking a natural approach to pregnancy and childbirth in a home-like setting. It is the oldest free-standing birth center in the state and the center’s certified nurse midwives have attended over 7,000 births and counting.
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<p>BEVERLY, MASS. -  For 27 years Beverly’s North Shore Birth Center has been a place for women seeking a natural approach to pregnancy and childbirth in a home-like setting. It is the oldest free-standing birth center in the state and the center’s certified nurse midwives have attended over 7,000 births and counting.</p>
<p>As a former birth center patient, I am disheartened to read the unofficial reports that rising malpractice insurance costs have prompted a recommendation to standardize care of all laboring mothers within Northeast Health Systems.</p>
<p>That means no more births at the Birth Center — leaving a hospital birth or home birth as the only choices left for women. While many women feel more comfortable in a hospital setting with a medical model, there are also women looking for an alternative. The North Shore Birth Center provides that alternative. And Northeast Health Systems should preserve it.</p>
<p>As it stands today, women who choose to birth at the home-like birth center receive no routine procedures and interventions. The midwives use holistic options for pain management including positioning, massage and warm water immersion.</p>
<p>By contrast, women who birth in the hospital often receive a series of cascading interventions that can lead to fear, anxiety and a high rate of cesarean sections for many women. Last year the C-section rate for women starting labor at the North Shore Birth center was 5 percent. Compared to 31.5 percent nationwide. However, it seems the risk management team at Northeast Health Systems doesn’t like that the Birth Center has different policies and procedures than the hospital’s policies and procedures. And despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, they see this as an area of risk.</p>
<p>“If laboring women get continuous fetal monitoring at the hospital, why can’t the birth center patients just come on over and hook up to the machines too?” The answer comes down to philosophy and approach. Certified Nurse Midwives and their patients typically view childbirth as a natural experience. Medical doctors typically approach childbirth as a medical event.</p>
<p>I don’t have the space to give a detailed history of midwifery here. How the professionalization of childbirth in the 1800’s cut midwives completely out of the workforce — since women were not allowed to be doctors, female midwives were replaced by male physicians and childbirth became increasingly medicalized, often to the disadvantage of women.</p>
<p>Today however, the medical community has widely recognized that certified nurse midwives can handle the low-risk care, often with better outcomes. The medical community has recognized that is OK to leave the high-risk births and surgery for the physicians and let the midwives take care of the rest. Maybe it all comes down to fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of something different. But the way I see it, preserving the North Shore Birth Center is about more than insurance premiums. It is about preserving choices for women.</p>
<p>Perhaps all of us, including the risk management team at Northeast Health Systems, might want to take a second look at the North Shore Birth Center to get a greater understanding of what its very existence represents for women. What it means for women with low-risk pregnancies to choose where, and most importantly, how they birth their babies. And what it will mean to take that option away.</p>
<p>Kim Trigilio is a Beverly resident and a Citizen correspondent.<br />
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		<title>New York Times article on Homebirth</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[November 13, 2008
 
Baby, You’re Home
 
By JULIE SCELFO
 

SQUATTING in an inflatable pool in the open kitchen of her apartment in Astoria, Queens, a very pregnant Alecia White Scharback, nude except for a bathing suit top, groaned in pain. It was 7:30 a.m. on Nov. 1, and Mrs. Scharback, 29, an actress, had been in labor for [...]]]></description>
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<h1>Baby, You’re Home</h1>
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<p>SQUATTING in an inflatable pool in the open kitchen of her apartment in Astoria, Queens, a very pregnant Alecia White Scharback, nude except for a bathing suit top, groaned in pain. It was 7:30 a.m. on Nov. 1, and Mrs. Scharback, 29, an actress, had been in labor for more than 36 hours. The contractions had been only mildly painful at first, but had grown increasingly fierce as a second night gave way to morning.</p>
<p>At the height of one <a title="In-depth reference and news articles about Fetal heart monitoring." href="http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/test/fetal-heart-monitoring/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/test/fetal-heart-monitoring/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier');"><span style="color: #000066;">contraction</span></a>, Mrs. Scharback closed her eyes, bent forward and rocked her hips back and forth. “It hurts, it hurts, it hurts,” she moaned. Using a stainless steel refrigerator to steady herself, she vomited. Joshua Scharback, her husband, rushed to her side and gently stroked her head.</p>
<p>Mrs. Scharback was giving birth at home because she did not want any medical interventions in the process unless she needed them, she said. But after another four hours, she was beginning to doubt whether she could make it and was pleading with her <a title="Recent and archival health news about midwives." href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/midwives/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/midwives/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier');"><span style="color: #000066;">midwife</span></a>, Miriam Schwarzschild, for relief. “Oh, Miriam,” she whimpered, “I can’t.” Ms. Schwarzschild reassured her client: “You can. And whenever you’re ready, you can start to push.”</p>
<p>Home births have been around as long as humans, but since the 1950s, the overwhelming majority of American women have chosen to give birth in <a title="Recent and archival health news about hospitals." href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/hospitals/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/hospitals/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier');"><span style="color: #000066;">hospitals</span></a>, which the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists identifies as one of the safest places for the unpredictable and sometimes dangerous process of childbirth. (The group has officially opposed home births since 1975, and this year the <a title="More articles about American Medical Association" href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/american_medical_association/index.html?inline=nyt-org" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/american_medical_association/index.html?inline=nyt-org');"><span style="color: #000066;">American Medical Association</span></a> adopted a similar position.)</p>
<p>Recently, though, midwives and childbirth educators say, a growing number of women have been opting instead for the more intimate and familiar surroundings of home — even in New York City, where homes are typically cramped warrens of a few hundred square feet and neighbors often live close enough to hear every sneeze and footstep.</p>
<p>Births in New York’s hospitals, where pediatricians are able to check babies immediately for potentially dangerous conditions, it should be noted, still vastly outnumber those in its homes — in 2006 home births accounted for only one-half of 1 percent of the city’s 125,506 reported births.</p>
<p>But local midwives say they have been swamped with calls and requests in recent months, in some cases increasing their workload from two, three or four deliveries a month to as many as 10. (New York health department statistics for this year will not be available until 2010.) Several certified nurse midwives who have home-birth-only practices said they had gotten so many more requests in recent months that they have begun referring pregnant women to midwives in Rockland County, Long Island and New Jersey.</p>
<p>Erica Lyon, the founder of Realbirth, a five-year-old childbirth education center with three locations in the city, said 20 percent of the 160 couples who take her classes each month are planning home births, twice as many as six months ago. <a href="http://www.yourwaterbirth.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.yourwaterbirth.com/');"><span style="color: #000066;">YourWaterBirth.com</span></a>, one of the biggest online purveyors of birthing pools — deep inflatable tubs with a specially designed built-in seat and handles — said its sales have doubled since last year, with more than 20 percent of its customers in New York City; <a href="http://www.waterbirth.org/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.waterbirth.org/');"><span style="color: #000066;">Waterbirth.org</span></a>, another outlet, said it has sold more than twice as many pools this year as last, 25 percent of them to New Yorkers and Long Islanders.</p>
<p>Home birth professionals in New York City have been struck, several said, by the fact that the increase is coming not so much from the dyed-in-the-wool back-to-nature types as from professionals like lawyers and bankers. “People who wouldn’t naturally self-select for home birth are coming in and getting very open-minded,” said Cara Muhlhahn, a <a title="In-depth reference and news articles about Certified Nurse Midwife profession (CNM)." href="http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/specialtopic/certified-nurse-midwife-profession-cnm/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/specialtopic/certified-nurse-midwife-profession-cnm/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier');"><span style="color: #000066;">certified nurse midwife</span></a> who has had a home-birth practice for 17 years and is now fully booked six months in advance.</p>
<p>One reason for the change, it seems, is “The Business of Being Born,” a documentary produced by the actress and former talk show host Ricki Lake, which ran in only a few theaters during its theatrical release in January but has become an underground hit among expectant parents since coming out on DVD. (Rentrak, a company that monitors DVD rentals, said that instead of dropping off, as typically happens with new releases, the film is being rented at consistent rates.)</p>
<p>With scenes of several home births (including one in which Ms. Lake delivers her second child in the bathtub of her former West Village apartment), the film argues that women’s bodies are perfectly well equipped to give birth at home and that the occasion need not be a medical event.</p>
<p>Many women are wary of hospital births, both because of a patient’s limited control over the process and because of the growing frequency of Caesarean sections (use of the procedure increased by 50 percent nationwide from 1996 to 2006, to nearly one in three births, according to the National Center for Health Statistics).</p>
<p>“The Business of Being Born” seems to offer an alternative, and “is putting home births on the map in a way that makes women feel like it’s a really legitimate option,” said Élan V. McAllister, founder of Choices in Childbirth, a four-year-old nonprofit educational group that publishes “The New York Guide to a Healthy Birth.” “In your home you’re able to move around and be in the tub or in the shower. You’re able to eat and behave in a natural, more normal way. If you believe birth is not a medical emergency, it is the ideal place because it’s the place you can really let go and follow what your body wants you to do.”</p>
<p>Mrs. Scharback, for example, tried many different positions over the course of her labor: leaning on the windowsill of her newly decorated nursery, sitting on a birth stool, crouching on the bed, sitting on the toilet and, eventually, leaning back against her husband inside the warm birthing pool. Finally, having endured 40 hours of regular contractions with no painkillers — like most women who have home births, she refused them — she let out a guttural scream and pushed her new son, Noah, into the world.</p>
<p>Home birth also appeals to the desire of many new mothers to stay put, and in continual contact with their babies, after the grueling ordeal. Michelle Zassenhaus, 33, a Web designer and photographer who gave birth for the first time in March, said her apartment in Park Slope, Brooklyn, was an ideal environment for calm postpartum recovery with her husband, Silvio Galea, and their new daughter, Lucienne.</p>
<p>Shortly after the birth, “the doula and midwife got us all cleaned up, cleaned up the apartment, looked in our fridge, figured out what kind of food they could prepare for us, showed us some <a title="In-depth reference and news articles about Breastfeeding tips." href="http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/nutrition/breastfeeding-tips/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/nutrition/breastfeeding-tips/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier');"><span style="color: #000066;">breastfeeding</span></a> techniques, put us in bed, gave us some food, and left,” Ms. Zassenhaus said. “Those first couple of days when you’re usually suffering through postpartum, we were in this very quiet, intimate state of bliss.”</p>
<p>NEW YORK apartments would seem to present significant challenges to home birth. For starters, there are obvious concerns about the apartment itself: the prospect of an inevitably messy process in a tight space invites delicate questions, like, What happens to the rug?</p>
<p>Then, too, there is the matter of space: for a woman with children, for example, it’s hard to imagine where in the apartment to put them if you want them out of range of the big event. And because women giving birth at home sometimes want to surround themselves with a doula and a cadre of other supportive women — mother, sister, best friends — along with a husband or partner, a one-bedroom apartment, much of it given over to a giant inflatable tub, can quickly come to seem oppressively small.</p>
<p>But for some, the biggest concern is the neighbors: natural childbirth is not usually a silent affair, and sound baffling is notoriously lousy in many of the city’s buildings.</p>
<p>Ms. Zassenhaus, in Park Slope, waited until three weeks before her March 28 due date to tell residents of her town house about her plans, fearful that the ground floor resident, the owner, would try to persuade her to abandon them. “At first they were shocked and fearful,” Ms. Zassenhaus said. “But very quickly they embraced it, and they were all kind of excited to be part of the process.</p>
<p>“I kept them apprised, and when it was coming near to the date, I put a note on their doors that said, ‘Any day now, if you have a sleepless night because of my screaming, I apologize.’ ”</p>
<p>In the event, Ms. Zassenhaus made barely a yelp until the final moments of her three hours of labor. “For 15 minutes I grunted really, really loud,” she said. “My neighbors downstairs lit candles all over their apartment and prayed for us.”</p>
<p>Elizabeth Golluscio, a marketing consultant, and her husband, Elio Narciso, a founder of the wireless media company Zero9 USA, also debated whether to tell neighbors in their Upper East Side building about their plans, not wanting to “get them freaked out,” Ms. Golluscio said. “We only bought this place in May, so we were just getting to know them. The impression is, if people are having home births, they must be hippie freaks or religious fundamentalists.”</p>
<p>Ms. Golluscio was thrilled, she said, when the woman in the adjacent apartment moved out for renovations, but then she worried that the construction workers might overhear her making strange noises. On Nov. 3, when she found herself giving birth in her bathtub after five days of on-again-off-again contractions, and emitting “animalistic” moans, she was still worried. “He was born at 8:16,” she said of her son, Claudio, “so I was hoping the workers weren’t there yet.”</p>
<p>When the couple, both 35, first considered a home birth, in February, Ms. Golluscio also wondered about some of their favorite belongings, especially an expensive wood Mobileffe bed frame. “It’s probably the most expensive furniture we have in the house,” Ms. Golluscio said. “I was like, ‘I hope this thing isn’t going to get hurt.’ ”</p>
<p>Mr. Narciso, who watched his wife give birth to their first child, Matteo, at <a title="More articles about St Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center" href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/st_lukes-roosevelt_hospital_center/index.html?inline=nyt-org" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/st_lukes-roosevelt_hospital_center/index.html?inline=nyt-org');"><span style="color: #000066;">St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Hospital Center</span></a> last year, was even more anxious, she added. “He was like: ‘What about the mess? What do we do with it?’ ”</p>
<p>Their midwife explained that they should gather old towels and sheets in advance, as well as a kit of disposable medical supplies, including the kind of pads used for house-training puppies. She also recommended buying or renting a birth pool, which can have a disposable liner and is drained into the toilet. “She was very, very ‘It’s not a big deal, it’s like one garbage bag,’ ” Ms. Golluscio said. “That’s what it was. We put everything in the garbage.”</p>
<p>And then there is the perennial issue of space. Before the onset of her labor, Mrs. Scharback, who in recent years has worked as a doula, worried about whether there would be enough seating in her 800-square-foot apartment for all the people who would be there: a midwife, a doula, her mother, her sister and her husband, along with a reporter and a photographer. “We thought maybe we should get some floor cushions,” she said.</p>
<p>For several hours on the morning she delivered, the guests took turns sitting on the couch, the floor and a glider set up in the new nursery. The bed became less of an option when the doula and midwife stripped it of its green-and-white designer sheets and, using a shower curtain as a liner, remade it with old pink ones. Several minutes later Mrs. Scharback climbed on, enduring a contraction on all fours with her face buried in a pillow.</p>
<p>A shower curtain liner also came in handy when Kirsten Rickert, 32, a stay-at-home mother, decided before dawn on Oct. 29 that she wanted to go through labor standing up in her living room overlooking Prospect Park. Standing on top of a shower curtain layered with a sheet, she planted her arms on her white couch and bent forward.</p>
<p>Some people, concerned that a home birth might be traumatic for children to witness, send them to stay with a friend or relative for the duration. Ms. Rickert and her husband, Cameron Skene, on the other hand, saw it as an educational opportunity for their 2 ½-year-old daughter, Maya. “There’s nothing mysterious about birth unless you want there to be,” Ms. Rickert said. “For us it just introduced Maya to life, and how life comes about.”</p>
<p>Maya awoke around 4 a.m. and joined her parents in the living room. “She was munching away on her apple and talking about 2-year-old stuff when I was having contractions,” Ms. Rickert said.</p>
<p>When it was time for Ms. Rickert to push, Maya watched intently. Although she didn’t like the blood and water that followed the baby, her mother reported, she wasn’t surprised: for months Ms. Rickert had prepared the toddler with an explanation of what would happen.</p>
<p>Just after her new daughter, Elle, emerged, at 5:23 a.m., Ms. Rickert sat on the couch (the midwife having put down an absorbent pad), and Maya came over to admire her new sister’s thick black hair. “She kissed the baby and gave her lots of love, and everything was fine,” Ms. Rickert said. “Then she goes, ‘Can I watch “Dora” now?’ ”</p>
<p>DESPITE all the preparations, of course, home births do not always go as planned. Most home-birth specialists have a relationship with a hospital or a doctor and talk in advance with their clients about the possibility of a hospital transfer. The best study of North American home births available cites an average transfer rate of about 12 percent. “If someone is preeclampsic, they’re not going to give birth at home,” said Ms. Muhlhahn, the longtime nurse midwife, referring to a disorder that is among the leading causes of death and illness in mothers and babies. “It’s very rare something so dire would happen that we would have to call an ambulance. We don’t wait until it’s a real emergency.”</p>
<p>Ivonne Dersch, 28, a marketing executive at American Express, had to abandon her home birth in TriBeCa after a routine check of the baby’s <a title="In-depth reference and news articles about Pulse." href="http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/test/pulse/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/test/pulse/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier');"><span style="color: #000066;">heart rate</span></a> showed it was decelerating. The attending midwife decided Mrs. Dersch, who had been in labor for 28 hours, should be transferred to St. Vincent’s Hospital, a 10-minute cab ride away.</p>
<p>“We took the elevator and my husband hailed a cab,” Mrs. Dersch said. “It was like out of a movie.”</p>
<p>Although he tried not to show it, her husband, William, 31, a stockbroker, became fearful — “terrified actually,” he said. “For the midwife to say you have to transfer to the hospital, it’s all those emotions running through you.”</p>
<p>Mrs. Dersch worried that she would be given a Caesarean upon arrival, but after examining her, the doctor told her to push. Fifteen excruciating minutes later, she delivered a son.</p>
<p>Other hospital transfers have less favorable outcomes. Several months ago, Dr. Erin Tracy, an obstetrician and a public health expert at <a title="More articles about Massachusetts General Hospital" href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/m/massachusetts_general_hospital/index.html?inline=nyt-org" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/m/massachusetts_general_hospital/index.html?inline=nyt-org');"><span style="color: #000066;">Massachusetts General Hospital</span></a>, received a phone call from a colleague at another hospital, distraught about a patient who had almost died after a home birth.</p>
<p>In the colleague’s opinion, the patient, who had a severe postpartum hemorrhage, was transferred far too late for her own safety. “She was in dire straits, she needed multiple blood transfusions, and she wound up needing a <a title="In-depth reference and news articles about Hysterectomy." href="http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/surgery/hysterectomy/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/surgery/hysterectomy/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier');"><span style="color: #000066;">hysterectomy</span></a>, which could have been averted if she had been given the appropriate medications,” Dr. Tracy said.</p>
<p>“Many low-risk pregnancies become high risk with no warning and can become urgent within minutes,” said Dr. Tracy, who, as a representative of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, successfully petitioned the American Medical Association this year to join the College in condemning home births.</p>
<p>“In a home, even with a quality provider, you don’t have access to surgeries or blood transfusions or lifesaving medications you would have in a hospital,” she added. “The literature does say the majority of normal deliveries can be done at home. But I think, and others think, the stakes are too high.”</p>
<p>Ms. Golluscio’s delivery, too, deviated unnervingly from the plan, though not in a way that turned out to be life-threatening.</p>
<p>At the moment her baby was born last week, her husband was outside on the street passing Matteo off to his baby sitter, and her midwife, Ms. Schwarzschild, was stuck in traffic. Only her doula, who was not trained to deliver babies, was with her, and Ms. Golluscio herself ended up scooping her new son from the bathtub water.</p>
<p>But she considered the event a success. “I feel physically awesome right now,” Ms. Golluscio said three days after the birth, adding that natural childbirth at a hospital might have left her feeling good, too, but that she attributed a big part of her well-being to “being home and in the water.” She added, “Even with all the uncertainty of not having my midwife there, this was the best thing ever.”</p>
<p><span class="bold">Playing It Safe</span></p>
<p>The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has had an official policy against home births since 1975, and this year it asked the <a title="More articles about American Medical Association" href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/american_medical_association/index.html?inline=nyt-org" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/american_medical_association/index.html?inline=nyt-org');"><span style="color: #000066;">American Medical Association</span></a> to adopt a similar statement. The A.M.A. agreed, and in June also condemned home births.</p>
<p>“The A.M.A. supports a woman’s right to make an informed decision regarding her delivery and to choose a licensed health care provider” and “stresses that the safest setting for delivering a baby is in the hospital or a birthing center within a hospital complex,” Dr. Steven Stack, a board member, said in the statement. “Serious complications can arise with little or no warning even among women with low-risk pregnancies.”</p>
<p>In contrast, health authorities in Britain view home births as a safe option for women at low risk of complications. In April 2007 the United Kingdom Department of Health rolled out plans for a “national choice guarantee,” to be put in place by the end of 2009, ensuring that all women can choose among giving birth at home, or at a hospital or another facility, and still have access to midwifery care.</p>
<p>The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and the Royal College of Midwives issued a joint statement in support, agreeing that for most women, home births “may confer considerable benefits for them and their families.”</p>
<p><span class="bold">JULIE SCELFO </span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Upon finding out I was pregnant with my second child, I knew right away that I wanted a different birth experience than I had with my first.  Despite the fact that I wanted a natural birth, I ended up being induced at 40 weeks.  I had pretty much the standard hospital birth: pitocin, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon finding out I was pregnant with my second child, I knew right away that I wanted a different birth experience than I had with my first.  Despite the fact that I wanted a natural birth, I ended up being induced at 40 weeks.  I had pretty much the standard hospital birth: pitocin, water broken for me, epidural, episiotomy&#8230;  Even though my labor was fast (about 6 hours), I felt so disconnected from the process and was sad that things had gone down that route.</p>
<p>For my second birth I dreamed of a homebirth, but our health insurance did not cover it so we reluctantly planned a hospital birth.  I hired a doula, took Bradley classes, and studied the HypnoBabies home study course.  I learned that birth was nothing to fear and that I didn&#8217;t have to feel pain.  The &#8220;pain&#8221; associated with birthing was really just our bodies tensing up as a result of all the bad things we have been told about birth by family, friends, doctors, and the media.  I learned to trust my body and have faith in it&#8217;s natural ability.</p>
<p>When I was just a couple days past 38 weeks pregnant, I woke up in the morning at around 6:30am feeling kind of crampy.  I told my husband what was going on but told him to stay asleep with our 1 year old daughter and I would wake him up if things got more intense.  I started to time my cramps and noticed that they were about 4 minutes apart.  However, they were very mild and were only lasting about 40 seconds long.  I called my doula to alert her and told her I would call her when things intensified.</p>
<p>I called my mom, my grandmother, and my aunt and they all decided to come over to my house at around 9:00am.  While we waited for them my husband and I decided to go on a walk with our daughter.  My cramps remained consistent and there were a couple of times that I had to stop walking, but they were not at all what I would consider painful.</p>
<p>My family arrived and while my husband ran some last minute errands they kept me company.  My 2 year old cousin and my 1 year old daughter played while we sat and chatted in the living room.  My aunt helped me time my contractions to see if they were getting longer or closer together, but they remained consistent at 4 minutes apart and 40 seconds long.  Around 11:30am my husband returned home from errands so I decided to take a nap before leaving for the hospital.  My husband went into the guest room with my daughter to get her down for a nap, my mom came to rest with me, and my aunt and grandmother went to get some lunch for everyone before we would have to leave.</p>
<p>When I laid down to nap I put one of the HypnoBabies tracks on my ipod and decided to listen while I rested.  Suddenly things started to get somewhat intense.  I could tell I was having contractions one on top of the other, I was shaky, and then I threw up.  My mom rushed into the other bedroom to get my husband, who came in our bedroom with our daughter.  My mom tried to get me up to leave for the hospital as she called the doula to meet us there, but it was a little bit too late.</p>
<p>As I was trying to get out of bed my water broke and I could feel my baby&#8217;s head slide right down.  I stood up and my husband handed our oldest daughter to my mother while he threw blankets under me and helped me get my pants off.  I had an unbelievable urge to push that I could not control, my body was doing it on it&#8217;s own!  One push and the head was out, one more push and the body slid right out into my husband&#8217;s arms.</p>
<p>My second daughter was born free at home on August 29, 2007 at 12:15pm, caught by her daddy while her big sister and grandma watched.  It was the birth I could&#8217;ve only dreamed about!!!  A peaceful homebirth with everyone I loved present.</p>
<p>We did transfer to the hospital after (a whole other experience in itself), but I was so happy about my daughter&#8217;s entrance into this world that nothing else mattered at that point.  After that experience I knew that I could never give birth in a hospital again, which is why we are planning a homebirth with midwives for our third child&#8217;s arrival in May 2009.</p>
<p>Heather </p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just recently watched your documentary and was truly moved and inspired. I have already been planning a homebirth with this pregnancy, and your film helped me confirm why. Watching it with husband was great too.  I know it made things clearer for him. I have had two cesareans and my last pregnancy was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just recently watched your documentary and was truly moved and inspired. I have already been planning a homebirth with this pregnancy, and your film helped me confirm why. Watching it with husband was great too.  I know it made things clearer for him. I have had two cesareans and my last pregnancy was a planned hospital VBAC. I labored at home with a CNM/DOULA and arrived at close to 6cm. I eventually had an epidural and had a successful hospital VBAC. I battled many fears and oppositions with that birth and learned so many things along my journey. I had finally learned to trust my body and believe in how it was created. But I longed for the complete natural birth experience in which I was fully absorbed in the process. I have been preparing myself in everyway possible. And I thought I had done all of my healing. But after watching the film I found myself overwhemed with emotion. And again back at that place&#8230; of guilt and not fully forgiving myself&#8230; I have done more healing and I am so thankful for what you have done. I am 34 weeks now and anticipating my birth greatly. I try to speak out to women I meet, and long one day to shout it out. I feel so bad for America and women who once like me were made to believe they are not able, they are not educated. I was made to feel bad about even wanting a natural birth, mislead by a doctor that it wasn&#8217;t the best option. Wishing I had educated myself then, I stopped wishing one day and began to transform the woman in me. The woman who had been held down by chains of fear and doubt. And allowing her to be released. Realizing the power she holds and who she really was. That woman is me and she is still transforming and I know this birth is part of her process of transformation. Thank you for everything you have done for women everywhere and continue to do.<br />
Love and Prayers.<br />
Trebor S., Charleston, WV</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q: Can you clarify some of the precautions midwives take to protect the mother and baby if complications arise during labor? At what point does the midwife know and make a decision to transfer to a hospital? And what happens if it&#8217;s too late to transfer? Can you explain what midwives do in the home [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Q:</strong> Can you clarify some of the precautions midwives take to protect the mother and baby if complications arise during labor? At what point does the midwife know and make a decision to transfer to a hospital? And what happens if it&#8217;s too late to transfer? Can you explain what midwives do in the home when common and uncommon problems occur?</p>
<p><strong>A: </strong>All midwives whether caring for women at home or in the hospital screen their moms for complications of pregnancy. This screening process is done initially and on an ongoing basis throughout the pregnancy. Midwives check for breech presentation, multiple pregnancy (twins), high blood pressure and concomitant conditions such as pre-eclampsia, growth delay, urinary tract infections, preterm labor, etc. Those are just some of the conditions of pregnancy that would potentially increase the risk of complications at delivery. Then of course, while a woman is in labor her baby is monitored, usually with a hand held doppler to ensure the baby is tolerating labor well. This judgement call is made by continuous assessments of the fetal heart rate, color of amniotic fluid, assessment of normal vaginal discharge (no bleeding), evaluation of vital signs, during the woman&#8217;s entire labor. I have found that rarely is a transfer necessary except when a baby experiences fetal distress. Fetal distress is not a sudden event, but rather something that occurs over time, which means that there is usually adequate time to initiate transfer to a hospital once the judgement call has been made. So, although fetal distress is not a common problem, it is the most common reason for transfer from home, at least in my practice, although transfer rates are under 10%. That means that 90% or more of women deliver at home with no, or readily manageable complications such as postpartum hemmorhage, need for minor resuscitative efforts, repair of deep perineal lacerations. </p>
<p>For good reasons every parent must feel that their place of birth is safe and secure. Public opinion is currently fashioned by Obstetricians who only know one system of technology based institutionalized childbirth. Therefore, they feel more comfortable with the hospital paradigm and the medical model. Because of this bias, families only ever question the safety profile of the site of birth, but not the system of clinical management that is responsible for making the judgement calls that result in good or bad outcomes.   </p>
<p>Anyone who has witnessed and practiced homebirth for a very long time (and there are homebirth practices run by doctors as well as midwives), knows that breaking down the safety quotient into it&#8217;s requisite parts is not as simple as putting our faith in access to technology. Placing emphasis on the rapport between clinician and birthing mom results in a higher safety profile (of course that&#8217;s a hard one to study). One on one care throughout the pregnancy and birth as well confer many safety advantages that cannot be offered by a compartmentalized system of clinicians of varying experience such as exists in the typical hospital setting, i.e. nurses, interns, residents and attendings all caring for the same woman at different times.  This discussion can continue on and I hope it does, but these are just some of my thoughts on factors that may affect one&#8217;s choice of setting for birth. </p>
<p>Cara</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a labor and delivery nurse and I must say that I see all too often women coming in who want a natural birth and are not being supported in their decision.  A women comes in labor and we strap them to the bed so we can see the babies every heart beat. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a labor and delivery nurse and I must say that I see all too often women coming in who want a natural birth and are not being supported in their decision.  A women comes in labor and we strap them to the bed so we can see the babies every heart beat.  They want to move to their side or sit up but then we lose the heart beat and have to reposition them in somtimes uncomfortable positions.  Women who are healthy and want a natural delivery should go to a birthing center or deliver at home where they can walk around and get into comfortable positions that make laboring bearable.   If they come to the hospital doctors are all too eager to rush things along one intervention at a time.  </p>
<p>First we break the water wich puts you at greater risk for infection and fetal heart decels.  Then we check you every couple of hours which after rupture of membranes further increases the risks of infection.  If no progress is made we start pitocin which dramatically increases your risk of cesrean.  Pitocin also makes contractions more intense and makes it very unlikely that you will be able to deliver without having an epidural.  An epidural can lower your blood pressure which makes it hard for baby to get the oxygen it needs from your blood which very often turns into a stat cesarean.  An epidural also decreases your urge to push and guess what&#8230;doctors don&#8217;t let you push for more than two hours&#8230;so if baby is not out you have a cesarean.  </p>
<p>Its a snowball effect that I see all to often and I can&#8217;t help but wish these women had known about alternatives to hospitals.  I&#8217;ve seen doctors lie to patients and say that the baby is in danger when it&#8217;s not and tell them that even if they don&#8217;t agree they will do a cesrean to save the baby.  NOT TRUE.  You cannot do a cesarean or start pitocin without written and verbal consent fromt the patient.  If anybody tries to tell you otherwise, tell your nurse you want to speak to the hospital&#8217;s patient advocate.  If you want a natural vaginal delivery and have had a healthy uneventful pregnancy with no past medical problems, I strongly urge you to consider your options.  If however you have had increased blood pressure or sugar issues or any other health problems you should not attempt to deliver at home.  </p>
<p>Heather</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Ricki,
There is a very serious move to stop all births at the North Shore Birth Center. It is being recommended to the Board of Trustees of Northeast Health Corporation that all birth center patients be required to labor and birth at Beverly Hospital. NSBC would continue to provide Gyn and prenatal care at their [...]]]></description>
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<p>There is a very serious move to stop all births at the North Shore Birth Center. It is being recommended to the Board of Trustees of Northeast Health Corporation that all birth center patients be required to labor and birth at Beverly Hospital. NSBC would continue to provide Gyn and prenatal care at their current site.</p>
<p>On November 18th there will be a proposal to the Board of Trustees of Northeast Health Corporation to no longer allow women to labor or birth at the North Shore Birth Center.</p>
<p>The North Shore Birth Center was established in 1980 to meet the needs of &#8216;low risk women&#8217; wanting an alternative to home and hospital births. Since then the North Shore Birth Center has birthed over 6,494 babies, providing quality, low cost, compassionate care in an alternative setting. I am planning to give birth there in December and now this choice may be taken away from me.</p>
<p>I did call the birth center and it appears they cannot give any information out (given they are still employees of the hospitial). They directed me to the woman who owns crunchygranolababy.com and I just spoke with her on the phone.</p>
<p>As this is a pretty urgent matter, I encourage my fellow moms to help support the movement to keep the birth center as a choice for childbirth (even if it isn&#8217;t for you - it should be an option for all of us!) If you are interested in helping with this cause, please do one of the following things:</p>
<p>1. Get in touch with Jennie at Crunchy Granola Baby. Her email is crunchygranolababy@verizon.net. They are going to be pulling together a meeting for this Sunday morning for all interested supporters.</p>
<p>2. Letters in support of the North Shore Birth Center can be sent to your local paper and<br />
to:</p>
<p>Northeast Health System&#8217;s Board of Trustees<br />
c/o Mary Ellen Lear, Secretary<br />
Beverly Hospital<br />
85 Herrick Street<br />
Beverly, MA 01915</p>
<p>Thanks for your support!</p>
<p>Amy Olson</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From day 1 I knew I wanted to have a homebirth. I&#8217;ve known since I was 16 that is what I wanted, my mom thought it was a little strange since NO ONE in my family had done a HB and she had no idea where I got the idea. My husband was onboard- for the most part. We are both military and could have a free birth through a military hospital but I was determined. I contacted the ONLY midwife in the area that does HB and she had openings! My dream was a reality&#8230;Fast Forward to THE DAY&#8230;I hadn&#8217;t slept well in a long time because of lower back and hip pain. Comes with the territory :). So this particular night was no different, I just thought I couldn&#8217;t sleep. I tossed and turned- switched beds- got up and got a glass of water- then realized that these &#8220;pains&#8221; were coming somewhat intermittently. So I figured I would sit and time them. I lit some candles for &#8220;ambiance&#8221; I guess and sat in our living room writing down the times I had pain&#8230;but it wasn&#8217;t really pain- just uncomfortableness. Our dog sat with me the whole time. I think she knew. :) So every 4-5 minutes I had a pain, at 4 am I told my husband (who had gotten up to go to the bathroom&#8230;not really awake) I was going to call the midwife- his reaction&#8230;WHAT?? :) LOL I will NEVER forget that, he got up and tried to tend to me but there really was nothing I needed, just to breath through the discomfort was enough. But he was up and that was it. I called the midwife and after a few questions she said she would be there in about an hour. 5 minutes after she arrived the doula also arrived. That was it, I was in labor! Throughout I just tried to stay calm and breath through everything. Our windows in our house were open and we live on a golf course- so when the labor intensified my breathing turned to loud moans. My husband says it was a beautiful song :) I can only imagine what the golfers were thinking :) Half way through the labor I remember thinking &#8220;how can people do this for 24+ hours!!, I will never make it&#8221; but only 7 hours after I had called the midwife my beautiful Daughter came into this world, free of drugs- on our living room couch. I couldn&#8217;t have asked for a better team taking care of me, my husband was so supportive and the reassurance from my midwife and doula telling me that I was doing exactly everything my body should be doing was SO empowering! I am so lucky for my experience and wouldn&#8217;t trade it for ANYTHING!</p>
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